# Problems using SameDiff? Read this first!

**URL:** <https://community.konduit.ai/t/problems-using-samediff-read-this-first/38>\
**Category:** SameDiff\
**Created:** [November 22, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://community.konduit.ai/t/problems-using-samediff-read-this-first/38 "2019-11-22T13:49:37Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![treo](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/community.konduit.ai/treo/32/47_2.png) [@treo](https://community.konduit.ai/u/treo)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://community.konduit.ai/t/problems-using-samediff-read-this-first/38/1 "2019-11-22T13:49:37Z")

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SameDiff is the JVM equivalent to Tensorflow and PyTorch. Use it for automatic derivation or to import pre-existing models from other frameworks.

The documentation for SameDiff is currently pretty sparse. Still, before asking questions, make sure you have read [Variables in SameDiff](https://deeplearning4j.konduit.ai/samediff/reference/variables) and [SameDiff operations](https://deeplearning4j.konduit.ai/samediff/reference/operation-namespaces).

There are also examples to be found at:

- [deeplearning4j-examples/samediff-examples at master · eclipse/deeplearning4j-examples · GitHub](https://github.com/eclipse/deeplearning4j-examples/blob/master/samediff-examples)

The examples show how to use SameDiff to import models from tensorflow and how to train your own SameDiff based models from scratch.

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**Author:** ![Dris101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@Dris101](https://community.konduit.ai/u/Dris101)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://community.konduit.ai/t/problems-using-samediff-read-this-first/38/2 "2020-07-01T16:58:03Z")

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Links to examples are dead

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**Author:** ![treo](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/community.konduit.ai/treo/32/47_2.png) [@treo](https://community.konduit.ai/u/treo)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://community.konduit.ai/t/problems-using-samediff-read-this-first/38/3 "2020-07-01T17:36:49Z")

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Thank you for noticing that. I fixed the link in the original post.

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**Author:** ![Crispy](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/community.konduit.ai/crispy/32/677_2.png) [@Crispy](https://community.konduit.ai/u/Crispy)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:59am UTC](https://community.konduit.ai/t/problems-using-samediff-read-this-first/38/4 "2021-11-16T11:59:07Z")

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Dear treo, Links to Variables and Operations are dead.

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**Author:** ![treo](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/community.konduit.ai/treo/32/47_2.png) [@treo](https://community.konduit.ai/u/treo)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 12:48pm UTC](https://community.konduit.ai/t/problems-using-samediff-read-this-first/38/5 "2021-11-16T12:48:46Z")

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Thank you for pointing that out. I’ve fixed them.